After this, is GB all about holding out until the USSR flips Germany upside the Head and the USA. You can put groups of DDs on Invasion support to have them tag along with the troop transports. Research torpedoes and radars. If I'm not mistaken, if You want to produce even some crappy planes, You need to research three things: airflame, engine and some guns. 299k members in the hoi4 community. So i decided to give naval surface units (apart from destroyers) another chance when i bought MtG DLC. 65, which is about 21. The player can order their fleet. Japan either goes full into Yamamoto mode and makes super heavy battleships maximizing heavy attack. ago Instead of doing sub spam, I prefer making a good surface fleet. The submarine tree is a standard submarine tree for convoy raiding, not very powerful. Then this will then evenly distribute the armies over the from the line. k. k. None of my fighter units upgraded to jets and when I went to deploy new units there weren't any jets under fighters and there wasn't a category for jet. The AI isn't prepared so the defense starts scattered. 25 points worth of shore bombardment from naval fleet. If your carrier is sitting in a port or in a sea zone with no mission, then you can select the air. Making some decent air force for minor countries is harder now - for example, if You want to do bathtub spam, it is enough to research two technologies (submarine one and torpedos). Playing the UK in a multiplayer game, it's 1944 and the German Navy has been pumping out more than 10 submarines a month it seems. Apr 12, 2021; Add bookmark #5 Reply. All navy production and tech to submarines Total airforce (end game) of about 600 fighters and 1200 bombers. [deleted] • 7 yr. It is the most efficient in responding to the escort needs of convoys and in anti-submarine warfare. Their counter is Battle Cruisers. Generalfaster • 1 hr. Would it still cap at 100% or could it go to 110%? This thread is archived. Use naval bombers. Destroyers have very weak naval guns, while Light cruiser guns are at least good for killing Destroyers. I use tanks for occupation, go for the craziest possible. I swear every time I try to use paratroopers they give me a headache, the times where they simply wouldn't launch are more that the ones where they worked! CommanderEggnog • 2 min. In reality it is an order of magnitude cheaper to move freight by sea and river than by rail. 1. Chalbano Fleet Admiral • 7 yr. The mod looks to make these changes to the regions: - Focus trees for every country south of Mexico. For tanks the IC cost is less since you also need to train Divisions to. By 1940 tech level, the DEs cost 1150 and the DDs cost 1900. 7-2 ide say don’t used, just go pure infantry with shovels and artillery support companies, 14-4s are still good. Originally posted by Random: the easiest and most effective way to wipe out subs on mass is to setup about 4 groups of 10-15 destroyers with at least 2 secondary gun components setup to depth charges (pretty much every destroyer that isn't a minelayer or minesweeper should have this) with your highest available radar + sonar, and set them to. r/hoi4 • Is submarine spam enough to sink AI navy?According to his experience they don't. Build Cruisers with one cheapest heavy gun and the rest the best light guns you can get. This mod makes no changes to vanilla ships or modules. Then just spam these out. Forget about attacking the US early on, you can only reach them if you use T2+ Submarines and since they no longer count towards naval supremacy you can never invade. Edit: Sub spam for raiding. 21. r/hoi4 • Is submarine spam enough to sink AI navy? See more posts like this in r/hoi4. This scales [hoi4. Bait them into encirclement or just out murder them. 5 (100 * 1. I really enjoy the ground and air wars, and really do not enjoy the naval wars or naval invasions. MTG needed a little more iteration. HOI4 needs a secondary Dev team (Custodian Team) with the mandate and resources to rework and improve old DLC and updates. Naval bombers are good to do most of the sinking. For example, somebody who is in modern day Tunisia could make Tunisia, Tunis, Carthage, etc. To make matters worse, the "Support Attack" mechanic is old in the HoI series (since HoI2 at least, never played HoI1), but its so counterintuitive in HoI4 that for my first 1000 hours in the game I was mumbling about how the support attack mechanic from previous games was great and I couldn't understand why they had. jmjwrskp • 9 mo. Add a Comment. 6th Flotilla Took 20+ enemies To Davy Jones. If that is not the problem, check the total weight of your divisions and see if they can all be used in a transport plane. Yes that's true but to say it wouldn't have been a game changer is a bit of a stretch. lancefighter • 4 yr. If you want to play naval 4 Carriers and a bunch of Dads should do the trick. For naval doctrine, almost always use trade interdiction. ViniciusSinged • 21 days ago. A few factories each guarantee air superiority in china When the war against begins hold northern front and constant push if possible even if slowIt's not like it's hard to get naval superiority in HOI4 but rather that it's too easy. Im playing in the Millenium Dawn mod, as USA, and I'm planning on invading Afghanistan, but don't know how to approach an invasion. Convoy raiding, we’ve discovered, just doesn’t work. on resubscription it will be reupdated and dl the mods again. Or there is a meta going around where people spam cheap destroyers with a large amount of torpedo's on it. Surface Raiders have higher kill rates because they have higher surface detection to find convoys. Vote. Spam divisions/planes. I find the cruiser submarine available via "U-boat effort" focus to be quite good at enforcing a blockade sufficiently far from Britain. 1. And that's the list of useful options for naval combat. This is the worst in millenium dawn. 666. Also subs count less towards naval supremacy. 1. You cant get resources from Resource Prospecting Decisions but that's only for certain states, you can build synethic refineries which gives you rubber and oil, or you can get resources from certain focuses (but that's rare). 1. Having air superiority is super important for spotting and battle. 375K subscribers in the hoi4 community. Cruisers. So have some divisions at a port on your coast waiting, scout out the British coast with your fleet before you declare war, then drop the paratroopers on the island in a relatively weak spot and then get your army across the channel. Thx. There are 5 types of ships that you will use in HOI4: Destroyers. Hoi4 ofc. HOI4 isn’t working for me. submarines can only really kill capital ships well but thats if theres a good amount of submarines and only a few capitalships (No screens or else subs will get massacred, even in a doomstack) but going down the submarine doctrine tree can make the subs really good at massacring convoys. If you cover the whole area or can't cover more. Got back into HOI4 recently and this time around i'm really invested in learning and pushing for my first world conquest/win. S. 3 comments. This is the most efficient way to design good divisions if you aren't allowed to participate in the Spanish Civil War. . After the untimely demise of the previous meme thread, I am starting a new one. Build Sub 3/4s with snorkels. Playing the UK in a multiplayer game, it's 1944 and the German Navy has been pumping out more than 10 submarines a month it seems. Trade Interdiction: In my honest and humble opinion, if you want to spam ships which are quickly build, go for one of these. . Win. I can't remember if the Raj starts democratic or not, so you may also be able to have a Democratic coup to create India. 375K subscribers in the hoi4 community. When the AI builds Carriers I believe they are 50% Fighter and 50% Naval Bomber. Exemple Japanese Submarine. ago. Pairing with this, I still think Submarine spam is viable if you're gonna go the long game. Thing is, I have over 85% naval suppremacy in all the regions. Friendly fire from the thousands of shells from the 33 Japanese battleships. The only case for it is to up the task force's average submarine spotting stats if other ships in the task force have depth charges, but you should have special ASW designs and strike forces anyways. 1 update. Base Strike is more focused on Carriers & Naval Bombers. Most subs had one or two small-caliber ( destroyer sized, but without the turret/armor ) dual-purpose gun on them, they would be used when surfaced. I’ve seen Das Boot and it doesn’t take much to take them out of commission. You must have enough unassigned transport planes on that location to be able to perform a launch. Their survivability is in their speed. r/hoi4 • You’re tasked with creating a new Focus Tree for a nation that doesn’t have one, which nation is it, and what’s a main feature of it?. 56. If you spam subs, you will loose your manpower and uwilt your dockyards to something that you will loose anyways. Due to submarines being nerfed in 1. ago. 25) attack after modifiers. Build 2)’s Cruisers but also spam Destroyers with full torpedoes on them. 1. Which is like a HUGE problem if true. Recon fleets come in about five ships, and sub fleets use five to ten submarines. So i assume that causes the fake divisions to disappear. No enemy airports = no red air, simple as that. For example, we already have ideological factions, where anyone of the appointed ideology can join the faction. In the last 5 games I played, Germany declared war on the USSR without fighting anyone and Poland joined Axis, the UK declared war on the USSR and. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game…I would nominate the Netherlands (who starts with a respectable navy albeit far from that of a major) and Portugal, for the second if you go royalist and recover Brasil you have the base to build a navy. Destroyers have torpedoes 20% weaker than Light Cruisers and 1/3 the strength of Submarines. Set the fleet to convoy raid mission with: split. #hoi4 #news #HYPEA closer look at the new Dev Diary with a look at some changes to the Naval aspect of the game! A NEW DLC is in the works!Dev Diary: I have 500 hours on the game, mostly in multiplayer focusing on Navies since I cant micro ground forces very good. Turn your 18 width infantry with shovels into 40 width 14-4s with R. Maybe your subs don’t have enough coverage or are spread over too many zones. If you're looking for a competent surface fleet to fight other ships with, the basics is cheap DD with good engine and some torpedoes, and heavy cruisers loaded down with light attack. 371K subscribers in the hoi4 community. If you need I. In this short tutorial esque guide I will show how the current best way to counter the Axis sub spam, as the Allies (specifically the United Kingdom). 3. It's only a game when there are understandable rules. Putting naval bombers and fighters along with radars on land will find the enemy navy extremely fast and put a lot of damage on them. It splashes up into the air and crashes straight through a whole squadron of bombers. Report. Join. Submarine spam 1-2 tank divisions. Overrun happens when your troops start a retreat into friendly territory, but before their move finishes, the territory changes hands to the enemy, giving them nowhere valid to retreat to. Win. You have to select either the army group they all belong to (assuming they belong to one) or select each army individually. Edit to link to my cut/paste. it's light cruisers that destroy screens a. 203. [deleted] • 4 yr. Submarine Wolfpack --- Minimum: 20 Subs; Sweet Spot: 30 Subs; Maximum: 50 Subs; Raiding Group --- Minimum: 5 DDs, 25 Subs OR 5 CLs, 25 Subs; Convoy. 375K subscribers in the hoi4 community. allan11011 • General of the Army • 1 yr. 1. I also agree with the advice of researching 1944 tech for Engines IV, but continue to use the 1940 frame. For your all around infantry template you can go 7 infantry, 2 artillery, support art, engineer, recon, support anti. Also subs count less towards naval supremacy. I am not an expert by any means, but I feel fairly competent with most of the game's mechanics. This page was last edited on 7 May 2017, at 15:55. ago. ULTIMATE Submarine META PRO Guide - HOI4 Meta Navy Guide00:00 Subs!00:23 Why subs are broken01:36 Lets make a submarine04:09 Getting started07:44 Trade Inter. Delta974 • 4 yr. 2. The way supply hubs distribute supply in general is also extremely strange, but that's a separate. Fingers crossed. Last game I tried building a navy by spamming destroyers, cruisers and grouping them with capitals as well as submarine spam. FrontierJustice- • 3 yr. It also can have excellent spotting and thus seems ideal for zones like the the mid Atlantic gap. Also spam some naval bombers and put them in the attack english channel mode. Below water, obviously, is submarine spam. But that would take a lot of modding work to make happen. If the enemy is defending with medium tanks, you can attack with heavies to secure the armor bonus for yourself, deny it to the enemy, and have a lot. instant construction ( ic in the console) makes it so on every new day, every production line builds 1 vessel. Report. Best. Yes. The only thing that worked was restarting my computer. Submarines are completely OP. The enemy always seem to win the naval battles. The air war is a crucial part of winning any Hoi4 game. Set. The weaknesses are enemy airpower, good ASW cruisers, or destroyer spam (but destroyers only deter and not kill). The desktop kind. Looks like. For example with democratic ideology, it looks like this democratic = { types = { conservatism = { } liberalism = { } socialism = { } } there are…Cover more of the target state. 2. If your goal is to go after warships by setting aggressive to max, then snorkel will allow your subs to stay in the fight longer and sink more enemy warships. 3. And secondarily attacking enemy ships. this is good but don't spam these as screens. In regular war you need to kill pockets in order to keep your XP level. You can put groups of DDs on Invasion support to have them tag along with the troop transports. spam update to force bruv to update eliezer1245 May 6 @. I had expeditionary forces from some minor puppet, they were at almost no strength for years down the line. Exemple Japanese Submarine. But it would be cool to also have, for example, regional factions, where anyone of any (or at least any reasonably-compatible) ideologies can join, so long as they. [deleted] • 5 yr. Where RRn indicates your "normal" (pre-tech) bonus to research rate, RRi indicates your "improved" (post-tech) bonus, T indicates the base time to research the tech, and D. Speed is king, always retreat at any sign of trouble and stay out of air range. -Spam NAVs -Win If something needs to be more realist, is the plane system: no IRL plane had 1:1 Thrust-Weight ratio. Submarines OP. paradoxwikis. 12. Build lots of Fighters / Strategic Bombers to slow down German production. Decryption tech plays a part in spotting fleets, especially naval invasions. 1 * 1. In the past 3 years I've destroyed maybe 30 of their ships, while I lost a total of about 150-200 ships (I started with around 400-450, now I only have about 250). ULTIMATE Submarine META PRO Guide - HOI4 Meta Navy Guide00:00 Subs!00:23 Why subs are broken01:36 Lets make a submarine04:09 Getting started07:44 Trade Inter. Thinking_waffle Research Scientist • 4 yr. 666. Multiplayer sync problem : r/hoi4. Jun 19, 2016. Subs are the best scouts, best convoy raiders, and best minelayers. This thread is archived. If they are torpedo destroyers, you can dunk on your opponent and also use light attack heavy cruisers to kill them. This is a very heavy assult infantry tenplate. Were* a naval power. Yes, I believe it is one of the options the host can choose. This thread is archived. Yup, I have an ongoing game as the anarchists where the axis became unofficial allies while I fought the real Allies. You'll achieve more with planes at sea, so build planes, and don't build dockyards. I'm put a week aside to fully mod the UI to swedish. The subs are also backed up by NAVs and heavy fighters operating from Manila. I would say subs are the most OP. But when I order the army to go there from Port Sudan they decide to take the land route, through Turkey, mine and Japanese USSR land and. This page was last edited on 7 May 2017, at 15:55. Base Strike is more focused on Carriers & Naval Bombers. Gaining and retaining division XP is very hard. Secondly are the heavy cruisers. Then the torp destroyers kill enemy caps. The way naval hit probabilities work in hoi4, it's a reasonable concept. As someone with 600 hours in HOI4 and a good understandung of the navy, dont bother. Thangunis. 11 11 comments Best SuddenStorm8 • Fleet Admiral • 4 yr. Best. It was the first time AI France goes fascist in my game, probably because they get destroyed early on in most games, leaving them without a government to change. Research_all I think. For example it goes from 3 bars to 2 bars and then 1 bar and then it pauses the game. See more. Bait them into encirclement or just out murder them. Sirrestrikk • 4 yr. On the Land fort it says it needs defensive bunker technology, and for the trench it says it needs vaubans. 29. Are there any good spy overhaul mods? I really like playing with spies, but I think they are a bit bland, like it makes sense to do 1-2 missions max. I'm trying to imagine the submarine shooting down airplanes while simultaneously sinking 4 ships. IMHO, there's no reason to build CV if you're just operating in the Med because you can fully cover all of the sea zones with land-based aircraft. Jul 3, 2016 323 465. If you really want to go with navy stuff go with Base Strike. Hearts of Iron. destroy_ships = { type = ship_hull_heavy count = 2 } this might be what youre looking for? (wtt. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3. Build Destroyers + Sonar + Depth Chargers. When my friend tries hosting and starts the. It isn't a separate option; just have the players pick the same country in the start lobby and it will automatically become co-op. 2. The cruisers kill enemy screen ships. Although i did notice that doesnt work 100% of the time, seems to be mostly the case with Newspaper Events. In most cases, a fleet in HOI4 is simply a group of naval vessels. 6% better. IRL the Uboats lost effectiveness more and more as the Allies got better at anti-submarine-warfare (Leigh Lights, anti-sub rockets, radar that can detect the periscope, hedgehog depth bomb throwers, etc. not if you have to fight a large naval group. Spam basic infantry and forts, and try to get Italy on your side. Latest HOI4 province summary. FrontierJustice- • 3 yr. Ask if it doesn't work, hope this helps :)Hearts of Iron. 25) attack after modifiers. 2 comments. Front 1. Outside of a tank division as their own dedicated motorized. 11 11 comments Best SuddenStorm8 • Fleet Admiral • 4 yr. The other thing you could do is. 1. ago. 2 anti air attack, increasing their score by 4. I know we all loved the Light Cruiser spam, but now that this patch amends ship combat and re-balances the stats, how does…As of recently, I have gotten back into the groove of HOI4 and have decided to ramp up the amount of multiplayer games I play. HOI4 Special: Subs with snorkels, lots of Naval bombers. Heavy cruisers also have the speed which heavier ships lack, making them far better and finding and killing enemy ships. If you don't like planes like me, you can build Sub 3's with full torpedoes with level 1 snorkel and full engine, put them on 20-30 wolfpacks and put them on always engage, even better make sub 4's with full torpedoes,. Lose form the Franco British Union then do the. But this is a paradox-wide quality problem right now, probably an issue of budget or management or something, so it's hard for me to lay blame on the HoI4 team. If at all possible in any capacity, get a desktop. Motorized are largely just faster infantry. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. So there currently two populair navy strategies that I see floating around. For every 1 point in Sub Detection you get +1,8% Chance of finding the enemy Submarine. Instead, they provide a pittance. I've read mines help with naval supremacy and they are relatively efficient submarine wise. These divisions were unable to fight 2 Australian infantry divisions while being entrenched. ago. 221. For better or for worse, magazine. I've always annihilated and been annihilated if subs/destroyers run into a large naval group. Above water is, very specifically: a main super strike fleet comprised of light cruisers with a single medium battery to ensure its in the secondary line, torpedo destroyers, and cheap, expendable screening destroyers; while the rest of the 9 capacity is occupied by cheap, fast, scout cruisers. Destroyers > Submarines > Light Cruisers > Air > Capital ships > Screens. The first few patches it was so unbalanced the meta was to spam one ship type (which type changed from patch to patch). Typically, they are destroyers or submarines for maximum spam. Theres an event in the base game, UK can take a decision to demand vichy france's fleet, listed in operations as mers_el_kebir_raid. C. Best Naval Spirits for Submarine spam Question Playing as Ireland, managed to grab Northern Ireland and join the Axis, was wondering which spirits were the best for Submarines only. Submarines aren't usually able to sink ships. Battalions can be of the same type, so that results in 40 25, or 11. The ai always goes scraping the barrel just to shit out 7/2 infantry divisions. Meaning your division is 100% more effective at everything, attacking, or defending. I'd also suggest going for 3 range then engine upgrades to get better air mission efficiency, especially in larger zones from airports further back. You'll achieve more with planes at sea, so build planes, and don't build dockyards. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game…A few things could be happening, the air bases could be over crowded, even by just a few will totally ruin them. In the end airforce >>>>> all in HOI4. You can usually replace the logistics company with support AA and mitigate the. Having a ton of navs basically guarantees you’ll win. 6 you should spam infantry like there is no tommorow. Idk man, my dad can't swim. I play as Germany and war is about to break out in 1939. I'm trying to imagine the submarine shooting down airplanes while simultaneously sinking 4 ships. These are very weak ships, and thus you can try to destroy them before they become problematic. I have about 60 submarines and would like to convoi raid Great Britain. Alica90 Air Marshal • 6 yr. And if this doesnt work, just reinstall the game, its not that big. Concentrate on upgrades that reduce visibility and torpedo reveal chance. Set a small fleet of destroyers and subs on recon and set your main fleet to strike force and wait. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by…112 votes, 16 comments. ago Sub 3s are very strong and need an enormous amount of effort to counter with airpower, radar, specially designed light cruisers, escort carriers, strategic use of sea zones and a huge number of destroyers. Put radar in that slot. The fact that patches are pretty much only released with DLCs and DLCs are released once per year doesn't really help, either. Since you can usually get away with a cheap submarine spam, it's no wonder why many players choose not to invest more time into the navy. I have played against sub 3 spam and don't find it any different or that much harder to kill than sub 2's. The convoy escort gives +30% escort efficiency, which is pretty good because it lowers the number of escort ships required, and +20% sub detection for DDs. My nearest naval base is within this as I have docking rights from Japan. . The cruisers kill enemy screen ships. HoI4 navies were always bad. I personally divide my subs into 5 groups and set each group a target strength of 20 subs. If not, reduce the amount of units you want to paradrop or build more. Please remember this video is not the be all end all,. As we all know ships in Hoi4. This is where you have a submarine with an engine and single torpedo tube and build as many as. After that, pressing H will do the job. The destroyers should have max anti submarine modules (depth charges) and the cruiser should have speed and spotting modules. I make offensive units high supply and defenders low supply, but that's just my recommendation, you can play differently. There are too few motorized, you should always aim to always have 30-40 org on your tank templates. As some background I have a little over 400 hours however, I would guess only 50 or less is actually in multiplayer (in other words, I essentially have 50 hours of real experience). The USN has a large submarine component that includes many 1940 submarines with the raiding designer and trade interdiction techs. ago. In my Germany game i got 2x superheavy battleship (upgraded full slots ofc) after 2 years of building time by 1942, some heavy cruisers and plenty of AA/submarine hunter. After they are gone go to the MS website and download the newest drivers. These can be surface ships, submarines, and/or aircraft carriers. For example, it would be awesome to have different kinds of factions. a. ago. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3. If they hit 0 manpower before you you win. The combination of speed and visibility make your ships much more difficult to hit. Add a fuel tank and you can sail into enemy waters and play havoc with supply lines. Never miss a thing. UI scale option experimental? Looking in game options menu, UI scale is labeled as 'experimental' with option to set UI scale from 0. At the core of winning the air war is the development of an effective fighter design. Garrison your ports and naval bomb anywhere they try to land. But in places where you can build radar on land, just have the naval bombers hunt the subs because it's faster to find them with the radar. FirstEquinox • 4 yr. For it to work you may also have to delete the mod folders and unsubscribe. l to ensure that your capitals are effectively screened. 1. Which gives you longer to spot them. However, the longer your divisions are moving or in action, the planning bonus dwindles. britian. It's a balancing act. ago. Press J to jump to the feed. So there currently two populair navy strategies that I see floating around. 2) I don't think the AI is sweeping mines. I once went to war using only expeditionary forces, I can confirm YOUR manpower pool is affected, kinda BS imho. Like I hate that in order to properly organize your navy you have to regroup all the ships to fleets named task force one, task force two and so on. Their survivability is in their speed. With Grand Battle Plan doctrine, you have the capability of getting over 100% max planning bonus. You can spread out in a line. Rakzhor • Research Scientist • 7 yr.